Tuesday, April 29, 2008

Texas v. FLDS: Now We're Getting Someplace

Via Owen:

More than half the teenage girls taken from a polygamist compound in west Texas have children or are pregnant, state officials said Monday. A total of 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 are in state custody after a raid 3 1/2 weeks ago at the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado.

Of those girls, 31 either have children or are pregnant, said Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar. He didn’t specify how many are pregnant.

These are the 'serious' situations which Texas authorities have been talking about for a few weeks--and there may be more.

At the same time, over 400 children are still separated from their mothers.


Amy said...

Still think it should go on a case-by-case basis.

If the abuse was aimed toward the girls, by the men of FLDS, then the men should be examined and mothers reunited with their children. Because it seems to say the girls are the victims, as are their children.

So why keep mothers away from their children when all reports indicate the women did not perpetuate the abuse but are victims themselves?

capper said...

Gee, Amy, could it because the mothers willfully failed to protect their children?

Sorry if this is harsh, but you are defending the indefensible. These girls were sexually molested, groomed for the molestation, and the mothers let it all happen. Who knows if anything didn't happen to the other children.

Plus, it has been shown that children who witness abuse experience the same trauma as if the abuse was inflicted directly onto them.

Another point is that if the children were allowed to remain with the parents while the investigation continues, the children would more than likely be coached on what to say and not to say. After all, I would have a difficulty time trusting these "loving" mothers who go on national TV and lie through their teeth.

If anything, I would think you would be outraged. These people are using religion as a defense for their perversions. I find that almost as unexcusable as the actual molestation.

And for Dad, based on the entire report, I don't think that the worst part has been revealed yet. I've seen situations like this less than a handful of times (although, obviously, not to the same amount of people) and it was very, very ugly.

Anonymous said...

Other media sources state two are pregnant presently. Things keep changing. This is quite different than the 12 and 13 year-old girls originally claimed. I'm just waiting for them to raid the Houston schools and save all those kids.

Anonymous said...

This kind of puts this story in a different light:

Amy said...

Gee, Amy, could it because the mothers willfully failed to protect their children?

How come we always hear that murderous thugs are the "victims" of abuse and therefor not culpable for their actions?

If we're going to assume the girls were sexually abused, then what's to say the women who lived there didn't grow up in the same environment and didn't know any better?

I'm not defending the abuse. Throw the SOBs in jail. But don't tell me that the *only* way to go about this was to take 400 children away from their mothers and put them in a foster care system that's less than desireable.

Unknown said...

These women hand their young daughters to dirty old men to have their way with them. I am sure even raised in that environment that they must feel there is something wrong with that. Did you also read that they send most of the young men away. Too much competion for selfish old men. It is a mom's job to protect their children. These children need to be taken away until it can be determined who is protecting and who is abusing or condoning abuse.

capper said...

Well said, Lois.

Even though the "thugs" try to use whatever they can to rationalize their behaviors, they need to be held accountable. The same goes here.

Maybe the foster care system wouldn't be so deplorable if people would put their money where their mouth is. Foster parents in Milwaukee are treated so poorly and paid so low, that it drives the good foster parents away. They choose to leave than to be part of something so reprehensible. But if there is talk of improving, the same side that cries foul on the system, bewails their taxes going up.

Anonymous said...

So, where will this lead. I think anyone who is in a gang should be forever without child. They endanger their kids to very harmful things, such as drugs, theft, murder and the like. Then we should not let anyone who has been addicted of drugs to have children. Afterall, how can these people properly take care of kids.
Capper, while respect I your opinion, you are looking at the small picture, you are not looking at the big picture. You don't where this can lead, who can be affected next. That is why the ACLU and prominent civiul right lawyers are defending the cult.