Saturday, August 16, 2014

Stunning Stats on Cops Killing

One could forget all about Ferguson, MO., and still recoil in horror at the stats Steyn finds.

Using the FBI's category of 'justifiable homicide' (defined  at the link) Steyn found that last year, cops killed 410 Americans.

Not a big number?  Compared to what?

By comparison, for the years 2012 and 2013 in England and Wales:
No fatal police shootings.
In the Netherlands:
The average for the last 35 years is three dead and 15 injured.
In Germany, a nation of 80 million people, police in 2011 fatally shot six persons. In Denmark, police shot 11 people in 11 years,...

Steyn also mentions that in Germany, the cops expended a grand total of 85 bullets last year (in confrontations with the public.)  And German cops utilize the "warning shot."

So about those full-auto M16A2's.......compared to what?


Anonymous said...

I love your blog but justifiable means justifiable. Don't blame the cops for defending themselves and others from the shitbags of society.

Dad29 said...

There have been a couple of instances in the last 20 years where I questioned a "justifiable" homicide: Ruby Ridge and the UW-M shoot.

Never really thought more about it until these numbers came out.

You have to admit that--at least on its face--the numbers are startling.

Anonymous said...

We have a LOT of dirtbags in this country ( that think they can take whatever they want whenever they want to. If the low-lives stop burglarizing, robbing, stealing others' property and stop raping, stabbing and shooting others I suspect the numbers would drop like a rock! Cops in this country are not allowed to shoot "warning shots" and grandma's words of wisdom are still good today......"Nothing good happens after midnight." Per in 2013 30 cops were killed by the bad guys via guns, 2 were stabbed to death and 5 by being mowed down with a vehicle.

I missed your statistics on the number of cops being killed in Germany, England and the Netherlands by felons. Here if you kill a cop and you go to prison you are at the head of the class. Our society has fallen to a new low, it is no wonder cops have to resort to deadly force more here.

Anonymous said...

If the devolution of society requires law enforcement to adopt paramilitary equipment and training, it would be sheer folly to not do so simply because it offends the delicate sensibilities of those of us old enough to have experienced a gentler bygone era of American history.

The adoption of concealed carry is an overt recognition that law enforcement in America is overwhelmed and the citizenry is faced with an increasing probability of having to defend itself in their homes and on the streets. Adoption of this evolving reality certainly requires critical thought and an uncomfortable hardening of the heart, but this is our reality.

All lethal use of force should receive an honest review, but it is an option that should never be removed from the table.

Dad29 said... made a leap from 'lethal use of force' to 'paramilitary equipment/training.'

We're talking about cops here, not Marines. Vests, yup. semi-auto AR's, yup. I'll even go along with tear-gas.

Not "paramilitary." If it's that bad, call in the National Guard. They are the Army.

Dad29 said...

By the way, MORE guns aren't needed. It's better USE of them, by cops:

"Almost 70% of the attackers had planned to attack the police even before the encounter

"Most of the attackers practiced with their weapons - often more than police do

"The attackers usually shot first and had a better hit percentage (68%) than the police (39%)"

--FBI report, quoted at Ace of Spades: