Friday, January 13, 2012

Alan West Is Right

Col. (and Rep.) Allen West has it about right.

“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”


HT:  Zippers


Jim said...

The suggested punishment is appropriate, in my opinion.

“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”

How does not being shot at by the Taliban disqualify any person from criticizing the abhorrent behavior? I'm guessing there are hundreds of thousands of current Marines and veteran Marines who have never been shot at by the Taliban and are critical of the acts. My 12 year old niece has every right to be critical of the acts. Aren't you?

West is a huge dick.

TerryN said...

The huge dicks are those who condemn Marines pissing on the spoils of war while ignoring the even more heinous acts perpetrated on American civilians. The media dicks was sure silent on the over 200 military remains that were found ia a VA landfill. They sure seem to care more about some terrorists than the very people who make it possible for them to be such pious dicks. West is absolutely correct. "War is hell".

TerryN said...

Excuse the typos as I'm a little more than pissed at the the anti-American sentiment blathered daily by the USA's media dicks.

Anonymous said...

West is DEAD wrong. And leave it do Dad29 to link the cesspool known as Weaselzippers. That in itself says much about the ilk that he prefers to associate with.

IF the video is verified as authentic, the PROPER punishment is for investigators to call for a court-martial and a dishonorable discharge. Filming the defiling of a mortally wounded enemy is a grave breach of the laws of armed conduct and violates the basic standards of human decency. Hell, these Marines “pissed on” their own code of honor they swore to uphold! They made a CONSCIOUS decision--apparently AFTER a battle--to desecrate the dead and then photograph their “accomplishments”. This action is inhumane and goes against EVERYTHING America and Jesus stands for. There are thousands of Afghans who are friendly to the United States, who want peace and prosperity brought to their region, and the military owes them a thorough investigation and swift justice.

So, TerryN, it's NOT anti-American sentiment. MY America practices what it preaches.

Jim said...

Well said, Anon.

TerryN said...

Nice to know you're in the crowd that cares more about the taliban and the terrorists then these guys.

"A Washington Post investigation revealed that the Air Force had dumped the remains of 274 service members into a Virginia landfill over a number of years. Gari Lynn Smith of Frenchtown, N.J., wants to know how that could happen to the U.S. troops who sacrificed their lives for the country."

Care to explain why one transgression is more newsworthy than the other? Not that I care to read your relativistic revisionism...

TerryN said...

Jim said, "The suggested punishment is appropriate, in my opinion." before anony wrote his pro taliban post. Then he wrote, "Well said, Anon."

So which is it Jim?

Anonymous said...

TerryN, an action is wrong regardless if it the action was conducted by one of our own against our enemy OR the enemy against our own. Immoral conduct is immoral conduct. That's what God says. Are you against God?

What, only soldiers, and not the general public, have the "right" to criticize their brethren for committing egregious acts? Or are those soldiers who dare to speak out also "dicks"? Or, worse, are they "traitors"?

Moreover, if it makes you feel better to "include me" in the crowd that "supports our enemy", then it is YOU who has the problem.

The article you cite is indeed disturbing...and WRONG. Those responsible should ALSO be court-martialed.

Regardless, let's stick to the topic AT HAND. I thought only liberals used deflection tactics. The soldiers were egregious in their conduct. IF the investigation and trial finds them guilty, then the punishment ought to be a court-martial.

"Care to explain why one transgression is more newsworthy than the other?"

Yeah, it's called media politics. Liberal and conservative based news organizations make decisions as to what to cover and not cover. Each has their OWN agenda. Not that I would expect you to believe me.

Jim said...

Terry: That's it? That's your post? Whether I agree with one punishment or another?

The punishment is hardly the topic here. The topic is the acts and whether only Taliban survivors can criticize them.

BTW, you could say (and have) something I totally disagree with and still have said it well. Can't remember such an instance, but it's possible.

TerryN said...

Very simply, because I condemn the left wing for being so outspoken against those who give them the freedom to be outspoken, does not mean that I support their actions. What they did was wrong, what Allen West said was right. "War is hell."

Unfortunately the dicks in the media want to condemn these guys without the whole story, while they ignore they evil these guys face daily.

Jim said...

the dicks in the media want to condemn these guys without the whole story

What "whole story" could possibly relieve (no pun intended) the act of justifiable criticism from the media or anybody else?

Furthermore, seems to me a large portion of the "dicks'" coverage is actually the criticism by military personnel and veterans.

Anonymous said...

TerryN, the bad guys were DEAD! The good guys, I would imagine, had secured the perimeter and, for a lack of a better term, were "safe".

Furthermore, I could buy into West's argument if say our soldiers were at a roadside checkpoint and a civilian refused to acknowledge their orders repeatedly, which resulted in that civilian getting shot. I could buy into West's argument if say our troops were on a search and destroy mission, encountered fierce resistance, and in the heat of battle, innocent civilians were wounded or killed because they were being used as "human shields".

That, to me, is "war is hell", and I for one would not be calling for an all-out investigation in those instances. To me, only the military can discern whether protocol was violated.

TerryN said...

"What "whole story" could possibly relieve (no pun intended) the act of justifiable criticism from the media or anybody else?"

So you're OK with the media ignoring the stories noted above to push their political agenda, at the expense of the lives of American soldiers.

I kinda knew that by your previous comments. This one nails it.

Anonymous said...

TerryN, it takes quite a leap of faith on your part to make that assumption.