Monday, September 19, 2011

The Religion of Peace (Or Else!)

I have an interlocutor who just hates it when I quote Muslims.

...In Abu Shadi’s view, the street [i.e., the average Muslim Egyptian] is in complete agreement with Salafism, and the attack on the Salafis comes from the “enemies of Islam,” or, in his opinion, “the forces of infidels and crusaders.”

...The leading Salafi explains: “We do not transgress against the Nassara [or “Nazarenes,” the Quranic appellation for Christians], but they must either pay jizya [tribute, and assume inferior status], convert to Islam, or war.  He adds: [Samuel] Huntington said the truth even though he was a liar, for the coming struggle is the clash of civilizations, and Islam will be victorious and rule the world with an “Islamic caliphate”. . . Zippers quoting Coptic Solidarity

How very....ummmmhhhh......peaceable of the guy!

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Some fine upstanding citizens are on full display at your beloved WeaselZippers site, Dad29. My, the wonderful company one associates with!


"I love easy multiple choice questions. Answer: War. Kill the Islamic Savages."

"i choose conversion, converting Muslims into fertilizer."

"Fortunately one Christian’s IQ exceeds the sum IQ of ten 1400 year 52 generation first cousin inbred muzzies."

"These people are so inbred they’re verging on mentally retarded and they are so messed up psychologically they’re hopeless."


Judging by this "enlightened commentary", there is little difference between Christian fundamentalists and their Islamic counterparts. Both sides are POLLUTING and PERVERTING TRUE FAITH!

abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79706&page=1



"Thou shalt not kill." Ex. 20:13.

The Sixth Commandment forbids not only to take the life of a human being, but even to think of killing. This commandment reminds us that one has no right to even shorten the life of man by using slander and deceit to undermine the health and dignity of others, ESPECIALLY under the guise of a "just war".


At least, that is what my priest has preached to me a couple of months ago.


Words by--The REAL Saint Revolution

Anonymous said...

Hey truther, you need a better priest. "Thou shalt not murder" is the accurate translation. Of course what would you know from the truth?

David

Anonymous said...

David, your mom called. Dinner's ready.

Anonymous said...

Anony 9:37 p.m. here. Care to refute my post, David, rather than repeatedly call anony's here "truthers"?

And, David, priests spread the Word, sir. They are not here to "out do" one another or be "better" than others. Sheesh!

Furthermore, are you saying that Exodus 20:13 is inaccurate? Better look it up again.


And Anony 10:41 p.m., you certainly don't help matters!

pbuxton said...

First off, the God who wrote "Thou shall not kill/murder" followed that commandment with several more saying, basically, "Always kill Amalekites" and variations. Not to mention stoning people for homosexual anal intercourse and other crimes.

Note these rules still apply to Jews. (IANAJL)

Then, some millennia later, Jesus said: (Matt 5:21-2) Ye heard that it was said to the ancients: Thou shalt not kill, and whoever may kill shall be in danger of the judgment; but I -- I say to you, that every one who is angry at his brother without cause, shall be in danger of the judgment, and whoever may say to his brother, Empty fellow! shall be in danger of the sanhedrim, and whoever may say, Rebel! shall be in danger of the gehenna of the fire.

Obviously, in this context, "thou shalt not kill" refers to heated arguments in social groups. Christ expanded this grouping, but note this expansion excludes just cause. Jesus says to love our enemies, but that does not mean we suffer the innocent to perish under a vicious tyrant.

Dad29 said...

This commandment reminds us that one has no right to even shorten the life of man by using slander and deceit to undermine the health and dignity of others, ESPECIALLY under the guise of a "just war".


At least, that is what my priest has preached to me a couple of months ago.


Gee. All this time I thought detraction and slander were covered under the 8th. Interesting that your priest uses the Prot numbering system, too...

Also rather odd that the "priest" has a problem with just war theory.

You might want to check his credentials.

Anonymous said...

pbuxton--"Jesus says to love our enemies, but that does not mean we suffer the innocent to perish under a vicious tyrant."

Except an entire religion is NOT a vicious tyrant, it's only those individuals who bastardize its tenets. The insistence by the Christian religious right that Jesus would sanction a "just war" jeopardizes the efforts of the majority of Christians who seek peace and understanding among the different faiths and only serves to further divide, not unite, us.

And, my dear pbuxton, no condemnation for the "vicious tyrants", as specified in my 9:37 p.m. post? Tsk, tsk, tsk.


Dad29--Also rather odd that the "priest" has a problem with just war theory. You might want to check his credentials.

His credentials are impeccable.
And he, like many Christians, have grave concerns when political and religious leaders usurp the "just war" theory for their own designs.
THAT is his "problem" and the basis for his excellent sermon, which resonated among the congregation.

So, Dad29, I'm sure you have been busy locating those statistics that the majority of Muslim-Americans (those vicious tyrants!) are ever so vigilant in causing havoc on such a widespread basis in the United States. Keep looking, I know you can do it!

Curious what would your priest say when you indirectly condone "open season" on "muzzies" through your association with the venerable WeaselZippers. Something tells me he (or God) wouldn't approve.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I don't debate "truthers". By embracing a paranoid, delusional reality you remove yourself from serious conversation.

David

Dad29 said...

have grave concerns when political and religious leaders usurp the "just war" theory for their own designs

Specific examples? (Fuggedabout 'political' leaders--focus on "religious" leaders who usurp JWT for their own designs. You don't have to include Muslims.)

Christian religious right that Jesus would sanction a "just war"

Oh. You mean that He would NOT?

Show me.

By the way, I don't manage "Zippers." I manage THIS blog.

Some would say that having a quasi-"religious" commenter who doesn't know the order of the Big 10 but claims that a "priest" said so would accuse me of allowing fake posters, ya know.

Anonymous said...

Dad29--Some would say that having a quasi-"religious" commenter who doesn't know the order of the Big 10 but claims that a "priest" said so would accuse me of allowing fake posters, ya know.


Incoherent. No clue what is your point.


Dad29--Christian religious right that Jesus would sanction a "just war"

Oh. You mean that He would NOT? Show me.


Of course you focused on only that sentence, and not the ENTIRE paragraph which provides context. I never said there is no such thing as a "just war", I stated that Jesus would vehemently opposed radical Christians using that concept as justification to further their ends. Try again.


"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
--Randall Terry, The News Sentinel, (Ft. Wayne, IN.), 8/16/93


"We are to make Bible-obeying disciples of anybody that gets in our way."
--Jay Grimstead, February 1987


"The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant--baptism and holy communion--must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel."
-- Gary North - Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism, Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1989, p. 87


These quotations alone serve as proof that militant Christian men of the cloth will seek the elimination of the right for people to freely practice their faith by any means necessary. And in the cross-hairs of these extremist religious leaders is Islam--not radical Islam, but Islam as a whole. Only a fool believes that the intention to purify America by destroying an entire faith meets the criteria for a “just war”.

Indeed, blood is no argument.

abidnyc.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/islam%E2%80%99s-view-on-war-and-terrorism-a-survey-of-the-quran-and-prophetic-traditions



Dad29--By the way, I don't manage "Zippers." I manage THIS blog.

Exactly what I expect from a man who claims to have the moral high ground. Sorry, that excuse doesn't cut it.