Monday, November 01, 2010

Notice Something About All Saints' Day?

Yes, for us Catholics, today is All Saints' Day--a holyday of obligation, meaning that Mass attendance is required.

Also note that it's a Monday. One day after Sunday (doh.) ADDENDUM BELOW!


OK, here's the noticeable part: the Milwaukee Archbishop did NOT grant a "pass" on Mass attendance today, even though it would be "convenient" to have conflated yesterday's attendance with today's.

A new dawn.

Don't get too excited. For All Souls' Day, (11/2) on which priests have traditionally been allowed to celebrate THREE Masses for the souls of the faithful departed, the practice has apparently been abandoned, at least in Eastern Waukesha County.

All those souls have been saved, you see.

Now we find this:

...apparently our American Bishops decided in 1991 to “abrogate the precept” to attend Mass for All Saints if it falls on a Sat or Mon....

A permanent (?) abrogation, I guess.



Dave said...

Interesting...we were told that the obligation was lifted.

Anonymous said...

I was also told the obligation was lifted and this by one of the more orthodox young priests.

While it would be great if everyone went to Mass on All Saints Day this year, it is not for you to tell people they are committing a mortal sin by not going.

People should go, but remember we don't "have" to go to Church, we "get to go to Church.

Dad29 said...

No such announcement was made in the online edition of the Catholic Herald, nor in EITHER of two church bulletins I read this weekend.

Did I mention "mortal sin", twit?

Your conscience is YOUR problem.

Neo-Con Tastic said...

I'll be in attendance tonight, and tomorrow for that matter.

However, I did notice the pastor of a quite prominent West suburban church who highlighted the fact that the obligation was lifted in this Sunday's bulletin.

Anonymous said...

Did I mention "mortal sin", twit?

Ha! I'm sure going to church will cleanse you of your acerbic tongue, right, Dad29?

GOR said...

Yes, our parish bulletin did say that the obligation was not in effect when All Saints Day fell on a Monday.

I wish there would be some universal standardization in the Church on what remaining Holy days of obligation there are.

This 'differs by diocese' business reminds me of a comment from a priest in Ireland years ago: "This amounts to regionalizing Mortal Sin...!"

Dad29 said...

"This amounts to regionalizing Mortal Sin...!"

Yah, but they never mention the 6th/9th Commandments, do they?

Andrew K said...

I think the USCCB agreed to make the Monday/Saturday thing the case, and individual bishops can "go against" the USCCB on this issue. But they need to explicitly require the obligation I think?

I think it shouldn't be moved, but American Catholics are too busy for church, dontcha know?

Anonymous said...

I am the first anon not the second anon, but thanks to the above poster for having my back.

Dad29, you said...

"Yes, for us Catholics, today is All Saints' Day--a holyday of obligation, meaning that Mass attendance is required."

You did not use the words "mortal sin" but I would figure that to skip Mass on a Holy Day of Obligation is a mortal sin. So don't call me twit for taking your point to its logical conclusion.
As for me, Mass at St. Stan's (extraordinary form.)

You may not like the way the bishops have done things but the fact remains they are bishops, you aren't.

Also, some of us do manage to be traditional Catholics and political conservatives without the name-calling. I think you do more harm than good sometimes.

-Anon 1

Dad29 said...

some of us do manage to be traditional Catholics and political conservatives without the name-calling.

Then don't read this blog.

And don't presume to know what's in my mind.

Anonymous said...

Well you called me a twit and said I had a conscience issue. Not too much presumption on my part going on there. Please calm down. I'll be sure to say a prayer for you while at the non-obligatory All Souls Mass.

Anonymous said...

Monday was not a day of obligation - ot a diocesan or regional decision, but throughout the US. The ignorance of a blogger does not, of course, create an obligation for the rest of us. Still, it would be good to be reminded by one's parish (we were not). I'd forgotten how it plays out until my wife explained.

Dad29 said...

You will note that I updated the post to reflect current flaccidity on the part of the US Bishops.

You will ALSO note that that flaccidity was memorialized in 1991--the height of the Jadot Gang's influence.

So: 1) read the WHOLE post. 2) Go to Mass regularly.

And "be patty-cake" don't cut it here. Wars are not won with patty-cake. Last I checked, it was still guns and ammo.

Anonymous said...

I don't think the average person knows or cares what the Jadot Gang is. Way too inside-baseball.

I also don't think any of the people posting above took issue with going to Mass, they just took issue with you spreading a false message. If it were up to me we'd be on an almost 15th century system of flocking to our parish for saints days by the score.

Guns and ammo mean nothing in the spiritual battle.

Thank you for ammending the post.