Now that you've read yesterday's list and recovered from the exploding-head effects, we'll go for hair-on-fire with a few more gems stolen shamelessly from Berry Laker.
Sec. 1501 (beginning), Pg. 659-670 - Doctors in Residency – government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.
Sec. 1503 (beginning), Pg. 675-685 - Government will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, including teaching hospitals.
Sec. 1711, Pg. 764 - The government will require preventative services - including vaccinations (no choice).
Sec. 1713, Pg. 768, Lines 3-5 - Nurse Home Visit Services – Service #1: “Improving maternal or child health and pregnancy outcomes or increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” --[WTF?]
Sec. 1733, Pg. 788-798 - Government will set and mandate drug prices, therefore controlling which drugs are brought to market.
Sec. 1744, Pg. 796-799 - Establishes PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control your doctor’s education.
Sec.1751, Pg. 800 - The government will decide which Health Care conditions will be paid.
Sec. 440, Pg. 837-839 - The government will design and implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids and families that are expecting children.
Sec. 2201, Pg. 864 - The government will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.
Sec. 2201 - “Fulfillment of Obligated Service Requirement”
Sec. 2201, Pg. 864-875 - The NHS Corps is a program where Doctors perform mandatory HC for 2 years for partial loan repayment.
Sec. 340L, Pg. 897 - The government will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure an adequate supply of public health professionals.
Sec. 340L, Pg. 897 - The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of civilian employees of the United States as Secretary deems necessary.
That's all for now. Stop back when you've extinguished your hair-fire.
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Every person here should take that full list to their local (D) congresscritter's town hall meetings and start asking specific questions. Then watch their heads explode for a while as they try to spin their way out.
neomom
Open question for any lawyers who focus on the constitution....
If Roe v Wade was considered constitutional because it determined that abortion/medical treatment was protected by a right to privacy in medical decisions.....
How could ANY of the sections in HR3200 be considered constitutional because they violate damn-near every aspect of a right to privacy as regards to medical decisions????
This list, like the previous list, is full of deliberate misreadings of the bill. It's all a load of bullshit.
dad's response to this will be great. i hope you calls you a fag.
I'm sure, Jay, that you have printed out and read the Bill in its entirety.
Thus, you can specifically dispute the language on this post.
Line-by-line, no?
A sampling of your lying sackness:
You: Sec. 225, Pg. 127, Lines 1-16 - Doctors – the government will tell YOU what you can make.
Reality: That section says that physicians who agree to participate in the public option will be paid the same rates as are currently paid by Medicare.
You: Sec. 1177, Pg. 354 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people!
Reality: This section discusses "grandfathered" plans, i.e., plans that existed before the bill passes. It's the same lie as Investors Business Daily peddled when they said no one would be allowed to enroll in private insurance ever again.
You: Sec. 1501 (beginning), Pg. 659-670 - Doctors in Residency – government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.
Reality: This section is about funding additional residency positions in hospitals that apply for those funds. Nothing about telling doctors where to live.
You: Sec. 1711, Pg. 764 - The government will require preventative services - including vaccinations (no choice).
Reality: The bill requires states to cover those services under Medicare.
You: Sec. 440, Pg. 837-839 - The government will design and implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids and families that are expecting children.
Reality: The bill expands funding to states that establish voluntary programs and apply for funds.
You: Sec. 2201, Pg. 864-875 - The NHS Corps is a program where Doctors perform mandatory HC for 2 years for partial loan repayment.
Reality: The bill expands funding to a 1940s-era program called the "Public Health Service Act," which includes a voluntary program that sends doctors and nurses to areas with shortages in exchange for loan repayment or deferment. I was able to get my student loans deferred because I taught in a high-poverty school under a similar program for teachers. No one forced me to do it, and no one forces doctors into any kind of service or to live in certain places.
I think it's pretty clear that you are the one who didn't read the bill and has no clue what he's talking about. Do us all a favor and stop spreading the bullshit, please.
That section says that physicians who agree to participate in the public option will be paid the same rates as are currently paid by Medicare
Whatever that may be today, or tomorrow, or in 2014.
It's the same lie as Investors Business Daily peddled when they said no one would be allowed to enroll in private insurance ever again
Not exactly a lie. While one may have a "private" plan, that plan must conform to Fed standards, whatever they may be tomorrow, or in 2010, or 2014.
This section is about funding additional residency positions in hospitals that apply for those funds. Nothing about telling doctors where to live
Yet.
The bill expands funding to states that establish voluntary programs and apply for funds
Which, of course, all States will do to maximize their Fed stipends (see Doyle, James E., "Seatbelt" law, e.g.)
Thus, those programs will be exactly as interpreted.
and no one forces doctors into any kind of service or to live in certain places
Yet.
Sorry, Jay. It's not hard to read the text as a pure power-grab.
Even sorrier that you can't figure it out all by yourself.
But I was glad to assist you!
So you're best response is, essentially, "all this stuff I say is in there isn't in there but it could happen some day."
In other words, it's all bullshit. Thank you for admitting it.
You: Sec. 225, Pg. 127, Lines 1-16 - Doctors – the government will tell YOU what you can make.
Reality: That section says that physicians who agree to participate in the public option will be paid the same rates as are currently paid by Medicare.
Gee, saying the doctor will get paid the Medicare rate sure sounds to me that the government is telling you what you can/can't charge, thus what you will make.
Experience counts, Jay.
About 20 years ago, public school employees in this State were expected to make a contribution to their own retirement fund, matched by the districts.
Gee! That changed, too!
Al, the provision is only for doctors who agree to participate, not every doctor. If doctors didn't like Medicare's reimbursement schedule, why do so many agree to it?
And when we passed Medicare in the first place 44 years ago, Dad29, Ronald Reagan predicted that the government would be telling college students what to major in and where to live. Did I miss the part where that happened?
No, you didn't.
And I remember Obama saying that there would be no tax increases for people earning less than $250K.
We now hear Geithner floating the contradiction to that "promise."
What, because suddenly Geithner is the House of Representatives?
But the fact remains: You're making shit up because reality isn't scary enough to generate real opposition to the bill. The bill doesn't cancel anyone's insurance. It doesn't mandate euthanasia. It won't force doctors to take pay cuts or move across the country. That's all bullshit, and you repeat it because, apparently, "Thou shalt not bear false witness" means about as much to you as "Thou shalt not commit adultery" means to David Vitter.
...and "Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder" to Ted Kennedy.
Whatever you say, Jay. Not worth the discussion with you; I know what they're going to do and you choose to ignore it.
Classic dad tactics, part one:
"Not worth the discussion with you"
Classic GOP tactic, part one:
Always bring up Teddy Kennedy.
It's not worth discussing it with me because I can cite the parts of the bill that prove you're making shit up? Really classy.
No--it's b/c YOU are making shit up. Not quite as much as Obama does--but you're learning fast.
The conclusions presented in the post are very believable. You choose to believe otherwise.
Fine by me.
Jay clearly has time to read the bill because there is no way he is investing his time on songwriting.
No--it's b/c YOU are making shit up.
Name one thing in this thread that I said that was false. One.
And, hey, I write good songs. I just can't sing for nothin.
You forgot to add that Your President said 'it will not be single-payer', Jay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk&feature=player_embedded
obama is a fag, right dad?
HR3200 is not single-payer. Not even close. Not even in the same ballpark as single payer.
FAIL.
Try again?
HR3200 is a designed, direct path to a single-payer system and that fact is acknowledged by the Great One (and Co).
This is EPIC FAIL:
"There was no note but if there was, it might have said: Forgive me"
will fags get coverage under HR3200?
Hey, tastic, I don't go to where you work and tell you how to cook the burgers, now, do I?
And, Dad29, I'm still waiting for you to identify a single thing that I "made up" in this debate.
Hold your breath and stamp your feet, Teach.
Is it because you're too lazy to find one example or because you can't and you're too intellectually dishonest to admit it?
Look, I pointed out a number of specific things that you pulled out of your ass. If you're going to accuse me of doing the same thing, at least give me the courtesy of backing it up with details.
For an English teacher, you have reading comprehension problems.
I KO'd 3 or 4 of your bogus BS "interpretations" of the law.
It's your contention that Obama--who is a very adept and practiced liar, thug, and Leftist--will not interpret the law as did my post.
I contend that you are wrong, and proved it in some cases.
You could just be drinking KoolAde. In either case, I don't give a flying f^%$.
You're wrong, Jay.
As I have waded into the shallow end of HR3200 (which must be done in short bursts as your head really hurts after a few minutes of reading it) A few comments....
First - Jay - its not as rosy as you think, there are some rather insidious things in there as regards to our medical records, our financial records and how much access more portions of the Federal Government will have to them than they already do.
So much for all the gnashing of teeth over the loss of our freedoms and privacy during 2001-2008 huh?
Second - This bill appears to be re-writing the entire Social Security Act. Every section starts with a description of what part of the SSA will be amended by the following section. Yeah - Social Security... The Feds have done a bang-up job managing that one for all of us haven't they?
Third - Anyone who says that beaurocrats won't be making decisions here is fooling themselves. Paragraph after paragraph indicate all the new studies and restrictions and regulations and other proclamations basically TBD by committees and the Secretary. In many ways - even though this is a monster bill at over 1000 pages, its not even complete. The road to hell and all....
This puppy stinks - big time. It will affect every single one of us. I'm thinking they should do a ceremonial burning and then start from scratch. Break it up into smaller bills that can be better read and understood.
The old adage says that you eat a dinosaur one bite at a time. HR3200 is trying to swallow 18% of our economy whole.
EPIC FAIL. This one has to be stopped.
neomom
No, Dad29, saying "yet" isn't a KO. It's an admission of defeat.
Neomom, the Social Security Act includes Medicare and Medicaid, so changes to health care policy naturally fall under that act. And you're misinformed about Social Security's quality.
And what do you mean by this? "there are some rather insidious things in there as regards to our medical records, our financial records and how much access more portions of the Federal Government will have to them than they already do." There is a provision in the bill that requires electronic records (like the ones that win awards for the VA), but nothing about the feds having access to them. I've seen that rumor propagated elsewhere (even on this blog, I bet) and it's not true.
Perhaps I should been more specific re: my Social Security comment.. It was not so much regarding quality but more on the order of financial management. You know - the lock box and its sustainability and future unfunded obligations and all.
The Feds do a DANDY job at managing costs, waste, weeding out fraud, and finances in general.... NOT!
And as stated previously, the "R"s kinda sucked at this too. But the current batch of "D"s make the last crew look like pikers.
Until they can prove that they can run a deficit neutral lemonade stand, we don't need another Trillion + dollar, partially written, 1000 page, unfunded POS inflicted upon us.
And yeah - they don't need to see my medical records.
neomom
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