Thursday, May 19, 2011

"Religion-Less" Country?

An interesting quotation:

"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." --George Washington from his Farewell Address, 1796

One supposes that Washington was referring to Christianity.

(Quoted by Patriot Post)

16 comments:

John Foust said...

I think he was quoting one of his slaves.

[Redacted] said...

Two can play at this game.

"Compulsion in religion is distinguished peculiarly from compulsion in every other thing. I may grow rich by art I am compelled to follow, I may recover health by medicines I am compelled to take against my own judgment, but I cannot be saved by a worship I disbelieve and abhor."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Religion, 1776

Put another way, keep yours out of mine, please.

Dad29 said...

Unlike SOME Conservatives, I don't worship Jefferson.

But that's secondary. The Catholic Church happens to agree with his theory, and said so, clearly, in its declaration of freedom of religion.

But that doesn't make Washington wrong, as you know.

Anonymous said...

Redacted--Thomas Jefferson is no longer considered a "true" patriot.
At least that is what the Texas Board of Education thinks. From 2010...

www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html


"Cynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone."

Billiam said...

Ben Franklin said there were 5 "Fundamental Points" that were to be taught in the schools.
1. Recognition and worship of a Creator who made all things.
2. That the Creator has revealed a moral code of behavior for happy living which distinguishes right from wrong.
3. That the Creator holds mankind responsible for the way they treat each other.
4. That all mankind live beyond this life.
5. That in the next life, mankind are judged for their conduct in this one.
Sam Adams agreed, as did others responsible for the founding. They didn't single out Christianity per se, but felt these 5 principles could be agreed on.

John Foust said...

Clearly they all thought we should be Christians. That's why they put it in the Constitution.

Anonymous said...

Jah told me to rape John Foust.

Anonymous said...

Dad29, from what I gather the RCC condemns sodomy. Yet, you continue to encourage the sadistic anony to sin. Methinks you have a disconnect with your feelings about Foust, Capper, etc. and the word of God, who is keeping tabs on your soul.

I venture to say your priest would also be shocked if he found out you were condoning this behavior.
Apparently, you do not care. That is sad.

Dad29 said...

Anony, if you're not a woman, you should be one.

Anonymous said...

Dad29, you're an idiot

Dad29 said...

You have your opinion. And it's certainly an un-Christian one.

Christians try to understand; empathize; and then convert!

Name-calling?

NOT Christian.

Best listen hard to Sunday's sermon, Anony.

John Foust said...

So if Anony was threatening your family, or revealing your name and address, what would be your response, Dad29?

Anonymous said...

He'd do what you should do:

a. Stop being a tool, or
b. Leave.

John Foust said...

Oh brave Anony, you think your rape fantasies aren't in "tool" territory?

Anonymous said...

Dad29--Now you're insulting women, too? Sunday can't come around soon enough.

I will second Foust's question--if the deranged anony was threatening your family, or revealing your name and address, what would be your response?


"Best listen hard to Sunday's sermon, Anony."

Anony 2:27 p.m., you're not helping matters. Now, what I find disturbing is how Dad29 admonishes anony 2:27 p.m., but not anony 4:45 p.m.

Indeed, practice what you preach, Dad29. Because simply attending mass does not mean one is a true follower of Jesus.

John Foust said...

You know, it's not just Dad29 who is silent here. What about the rest of his Catholic visitors? Largely quiet - including the ordained. Why is that?