Hillyer has a very, very good proposal.
...I
would not pass a clean debt ceiling hike for the
equivalent of three months; I would tie it to a very nominal
package of savings, even if only, say, $15 billion over ten years,
if just to establish the principle that cuts belong with debt
ceiling hikes.
But I wouldn’t just put a number on it. The number of the
dollars saved isn’t important. What’s important is the substance of
the savings. The savings should be highly specified. They should be
the sorts of things that will make the Dems look bad if they
disagree....
And he has a couple of examples which are eminently do-able.
Now the question: do Boehner and Ryan have a spine?
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My guess is.... NO! They have no spine. Or balls. Maybe they'll surprise, but I doubt it.
And, yet, conservatives vote Boehner and Ryan and their ilk into office. Why is that, Billiam? Where is the backbone of "true" conservatives?
Democrats voted O back in. They continue to send the likes of Pelosi, Reid and others back. People, as a rule, are stupid. Doesn't matter the party. Look at all those dumbasses that, who was it, Kimmell asked about the Inauguration, how they liked it, even though it hasn't happened yet. That is your average citizen these days, it seems. As to Ryan and Boehner, for some, they used the idea that they were the 'lesser of two evils'. I don't know. Ask them.
"Democrats voted O back in."
Let me correct you...American voters re-elected Obama. Most were Democrats, a few dissatisfied Republicans, and a number of independents who vote D or R.
"That is your average citizen these days, it seems."
So what does that make YOU???
"As to Ryan and Boehner, for some, they used the idea that they were the 'lesser of two evils'. I don't know. Ask them."
Either your response is a total cop out similar to those "pubbies" unwilling to take a stand...
OR
if you truly don't know what they mean, and still vote for their kind, then it makes you as one of those people who, as a rule, are stupid.
Take your pick, i.e. the "lesser of two evils".
I didn't vote for either one, so how would I know why they did? I don't vote based on emotion, race or what politicians say. I take the time to research what they do. I'll cede your point on the voters who, IMO, made a bad choice by voting dear leader another term.
First, if you conduct your research as you say you do, you would know the reasons behind Ryan's and Boehner's decision. It's just that you're covering for them.
Second, I would argue that your political leanings tend to mirror that more of Ryan than Boehner, so you're conveniently providing a "free pass".
Third, you may not vote based on emotion, but you certainly showing your feelings as to who is responsible for this mess.
Yet, the question remains, which "lesser than two evils" are you subscribing to?
This is your average Republican voter these days:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/12/republicans-not-handling-election-results-well.html
Ah. We have a misunderstanding on both our parts here. I misunderstood that you were speaking to why Boehner or Ryan are doing what they're doing, I was speaking to why their respective voters voted for them. As to who is responsible, WE are. Both parties are. This did not happen because of only one or the other. WE are responsible because, as a whole, we the voters don't hold them accountable for their votes. We've become so polarized that as long as 'our guy' has the right designation after his name, that's enough.
As to my leanings, I tend to lean towards a smaller government. I liked Ron Paul, but was not a rabid supporter. Ryan's plan doesn't go far enough and won't really have any effect on the debt. Boehner is a joke. I have even less affection for most of the Democrats up there. Does that clarify it a bit better?
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