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The Pennsylvania Department of State released the following statement in response to the Republicans' claims:
"In today’s release Rep. Ryan and others rehash, with the same lack of evidence and the same absence of supporting documentation, repeatedly debunked conspiracy theories regarding the November 3 election. State and federal judges have sifted through hundreds of pages of unsubstantiated and false allegations and found no evidence of fraud or illegal voting.
"Now, the legislators have given us another perfect example of the dangers of uninformed, lay analysis combined with a basic lack of election administration knowledge.
"For instance, it is quite common to have significant "undervotes" for down-ballot races in a presidential election, particularly when there isn't a U.S. Senate race on the ballot. In 2000, Sen. Santorum received 200,000 more votes than President Bush, but the US Senate race still had more than 100,000 fewer votes than the presidential race.
"We are unclear as to what data the legislators used for this most recent “analysis.” But the only way to determine the number of voters who voted in November from the SURE system is through the vote histories. At this time, there are still a few counties that have not completed uploading their vote histories to the SURE system. These counties, which include Philadelphia, Allegheny, Butler and Cambria, would account for a significant number of voters. The numbers certified by the counties, not the uploading of voter histories into the SURE system, determines the ultimate certification of an election by the secretary.
"This obvious misinformation put forth by Rep. Ryan and others is the hallmark of so many of the claims made about this year’s presidential election. When exposed to even the simplest examination, courts at every level have found these and similar conspiratorial claims to be wholly without basis.
"To put it simply, this so-called analysis was based on incomplete data."
Trump lost. But at least Epstein didn't kill himself.
Each county conducted their audits before results are certified. The Department of State also conducted an audit.
State Senator Ryan Aument (R) had criticized members of his own party for urging the legislature to discard the election results and appoint a new slate of pro-Trump presidential electors.
“Those making those accusations [of fraud], which are very serious accusations, in my view, have a responsibility, an obligation to present that evidence in a court of law under oath,” Aument said. “I’m not aware to date in federal court that that evidence has been presented or even asserted. There’s a lot being said publicly, there’s a lot on social media, a lot stated at press conferences or even at Senate policy committee hearings, but that evidence has not been presented in a court of law".
Interesting, because Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation aren't claiming sweeping fraud.
For example, they sought have the Bucks County (PA) Court of Common Pleas invalidate more than 2,200 supposedly “defective ballots” that were counted after a review by the Board of Elections. Trump lawyers agreed to sign documents saying that there was zero evidence of fraud or misconduct when it came to said ballots. Attorneys for both sides signed a “joint stipulation of facts—an instrument meant to provide the court with facts relevant to the case that are undisputed by either party in the action—which clearly disavows any claims that voting in the commonwealth’s fourth-largest county was affected by any fraudulent conduct.” The joint statement literally reads: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.” Additionally, both sides agreed that election observers from each party were allowed full access to view the pre-canvassing and canvassing processes.
Trump lost, but at least Epstein didn't kill himself.
SoS: "there are still a few counties that have not completed uploading their vote histories to the SURE system. These counties, which include Philadelphia, Allegheny, Butler and Cambria, would account for a significant number of voters."
Translation: we have no fricking idea of how many people voted.
The Pennsylvania Department of State released the following statement in response to the Republicans' claims:
ReplyDelete"In today’s release Rep. Ryan and others rehash, with the same lack of evidence and the same absence of supporting documentation, repeatedly debunked conspiracy theories regarding the November 3 election. State and federal judges have sifted through hundreds of pages of unsubstantiated and false allegations and found no evidence of fraud or illegal voting.
"Now, the legislators have given us another perfect example of the dangers of uninformed, lay analysis combined with a basic lack of election administration knowledge.
"For instance, it is quite common to have significant "undervotes" for down-ballot races in a presidential election, particularly when there isn't a U.S. Senate race on the ballot. In 2000, Sen. Santorum received 200,000 more votes than President Bush, but the US Senate race still had more than 100,000 fewer votes than the presidential race.
"We are unclear as to what data the legislators used for this most recent “analysis.” But the only way to determine the number of voters who voted in November from the SURE system is through the vote histories. At this time, there are still a few counties that have not completed uploading their vote histories to the SURE system. These counties, which include Philadelphia, Allegheny, Butler and Cambria, would account for a significant number of voters. The numbers certified by the counties, not the uploading of voter histories into the SURE system, determines the ultimate certification of an election by the secretary.
"This obvious misinformation put forth by Rep. Ryan and others is the hallmark of so many of the claims made about this year’s presidential election. When exposed to even the simplest examination, courts at every level have found these and similar conspiratorial claims to be wholly without basis.
"To put it simply, this so-called analysis was based on incomplete data."
Trump lost. But at least Epstein didn't kill himself.
Oh, goodie!! An official release covering somebody's ass.
ReplyDeleteWho'd have thunk of that??
You mean a thorough refutation was released. It's up to YOU to actually counter it with evidence, not hyperbole or histrionics.
ReplyDeleteActually, I don't live in PA.
ReplyDeleteBut if that election was all that honest, then the PA Gummint should be allowing a full-bore signature and machine audit, right?
How come they haven't?
Dumbass.
Each county conducted their audits before results are certified. The Department of State also conducted an audit.
ReplyDeleteState Senator Ryan Aument (R) had criticized members of his own party for urging the legislature to discard the election results and appoint a new slate of pro-Trump presidential electors.
“Those making those accusations [of fraud], which are very serious accusations, in my view, have a responsibility, an obligation to present that evidence in a court of law under oath,” Aument said. “I’m not aware to date in federal court that that evidence has been presented or even asserted. There’s a lot being said publicly, there’s a lot on social media, a lot stated at press conferences or even at Senate policy committee hearings, but that evidence has not been presented in a court of law".
Interesting, because Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation aren't claiming sweeping fraud.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267
For example, they sought have the Bucks County (PA) Court of Common Pleas invalidate more than 2,200 supposedly “defective ballots” that were counted after a review by the Board of Elections. Trump lawyers agreed to sign documents saying that there was zero evidence of fraud or misconduct when it came to said ballots. Attorneys for both sides signed a “joint stipulation of facts—an instrument meant to provide the court with facts relevant to the case that are undisputed by either party in the action—which clearly disavows any claims that voting in the commonwealth’s fourth-largest county was affected by any fraudulent conduct.” The joint statement literally reads: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.” Additionally, both sides agreed that election observers from each party were allowed full access to view the pre-canvassing and canvassing processes.
Trump lost, but at least Epstein didn't kill himself.
SoS: "there are still a few counties that have not completed uploading their vote histories to the SURE system. These counties, which include Philadelphia, Allegheny, Butler and Cambria, would account for a significant number of voters."
ReplyDeleteTranslation: we have no fricking idea of how many people voted.