tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post116682095217761825..comments2024-03-28T08:15:02.660-05:00Comments on Dad29: Music for Catholic MassDad29http://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1167317325784984232006-12-28T08:48:00.000-06:002006-12-28T08:48:00.000-06:00Awwwww....Widdle Anony runs away to cry.Awwwww....Widdle Anony runs away to cry.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1167275846475008652006-12-27T21:17:00.000-06:002006-12-27T21:17:00.000-06:00My, my. Don't you have some anger issues. Your t...My, my. Don't you have some anger issues. Your tolerance level for different views is not something to be proud of. I'll leave you to stew in your bile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1167172291655856272006-12-26T16:31:00.000-06:002006-12-26T16:31:00.000-06:00Finally, Anonymous, I have NEVER said that new/new...Finally, Anonymous, I have NEVER said that new/newer music is verboten.<BR/><BR/>What I HAVE said is exactly what the Church has taught for hundreds of years: 'the closer the music is to CHANT, the better.'<BR/><BR/>We DO distinguish between 'sacred music' and 'hymnody' here, by the way.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1167172145920928072006-12-26T16:29:00.000-06:002006-12-26T16:29:00.000-06:001) Maybe you didn't notice it, but the Roman Cath...1) Maybe you didn't notice it, but the Roman Catholic church is the fruit of the NEW Covenant, not the Old one. That all happened at the moment of Christ's death on Calvary, when worship became cosmic, not Temple-based. <BR/><BR/>2) The Psalms were sung without AND with instrutmentation. <BR/><BR/>3) The Church, since 1955, has allowed orchestral instrumentation and has always encouraged the use of the pipe organ.<BR/><BR/>Get some halfway decent historical perspective (you know, stuff that happened before your birthdate...) before you attempt to justify your somewhat ill-informed charges and statements.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1167170182742681252006-12-26T15:56:00.000-06:002006-12-26T15:56:00.000-06:00The Bible contains its own hymnal: “the Psalter, b...The Bible contains its own hymnal: “the Psalter, born from the practice of singing and playing musical instruments during worship.” Sing Artistically for God: Biblical Directives for Church Music, pg. 97. Not a lot of musical instruments used in Gregorian Chants so how does that square with only an organ with a chant? Not all the Popes are in lock step as you infer. <BR/><BR/>It is not emancipation as you charge but rather an effort to fulfill the ever-recurring imperative, “Sing to the Lord a new song” contrasting to your drive to only approve singing of old songs and older songs. When a new song or new interpretation is done for edification it is in conformance with 1 Cor. 14:26. Even Cardinal Ratzinger did not excoriate all folk or modern music in liturgy but rather recommended “treading carefully” in the area. I have not seen a change in his perspective since his elevation. Where have the Popes or the Catechism excluded the potential or possibility of new musical forms [after Gregorian Chants of course] as a basic tenet of our Catholic faith?<BR/><BR/>As I recalled, Cardinal Ratzinger commended the cathedral choirmaster (his brother) for striving to manage continuity in the unity of the whole Church without taking on a museum-like character. I take “unity of the whole Church” to allow for new songs and new styles that are not ready for the museum yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1167152800285255062006-12-26T11:06:00.000-06:002006-12-26T11:06:00.000-06:001) The instructions from all Popes who have writt...1) The instructions from all Popes who have written on the matter are clear: <I>musica sacra</I> is better the more it is based on Gregorian Chant. This has nothing to do with "MY" rules and everything to do with the thoughts of the Popes. <BR/><BR/>You don't have to accept Papal authority on the question. Just don't attempt to make your diss of the Popes appear to be some intellectual triumph, or some sort of "emancipation." It isn't--any more than violating the 6th Commandment is "emancipation."<BR/><BR/>2) There is room for "praise music" (as you call it)--at liturgical services which are NOT the Mass. So go to it, with the blessing of the Popes!!<BR/><BR/>But not at the Mass. That's where "sacred music" is used, contra the sloppy wording of the BCL's old (un-authoritative) document and Bugger Bugnini's vapidity. <BR/><BR/>I'm certain that you've read all the documentation on the matter, beginning with the Lit Constitution, the various Roman documents issued thereafter, and the BCL's stuff, too, right? Not to mention all Ratzinger's comments (since about 1980), right?Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1167148917733393572006-12-26T10:01:00.000-06:002006-12-26T10:01:00.000-06:00Your response illuminates the point. Your mindset...Your response illuminates the point. Your mindset appears that no contemporary music can be acceptable but only music from the past and the deep past. Current (since the 1960's) spirit and praise music is anathema to your narrow view of proper Catholic mass music. Why should Catholic worship and the church be so restricted? Why is there not allowed, in your view, any growth or change in musical direction?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1166987076375916362006-12-24T13:04:00.000-06:002006-12-24T13:04:00.000-06:00Anony, you create an interesting dichotomy, separa...Anony, you create an interesting dichotomy, separating 'spiritual' from 'sacred.'<BR/><BR/>Are you <I>sure</I> that's what you want to do?<BR/><BR/>As to "dirges:" I've sung well over 100 Mass Ordinaries (not counting Chant ones) and several hundred motets composed before, say, 1970. None of them are "dirges," but I will allow for incompetent boob choir-directors who may have given you that idea.<BR/><BR/>Finally, <I>WHICH</I> '40's? The 340's? 840's? 1240's? 1640's? 1840's?<BR/><BR/>Methinks you're under-educated in the historical art, Anony.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1166974318701287852006-12-24T09:31:00.000-06:002006-12-24T09:31:00.000-06:00Your passion for sacred music denies any place for...Your passion for sacred music denies any place for spiritual music. What "moved" people in the 40's & 50's does not necessarily have the same effect today. The dirge music that you are so enamored with leaves many people with a depressed feeling leaving Mass. That is not the way that I want to feel after Mass. I would rather be uplifted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1166825075954540862006-12-22T16:04:00.000-06:002006-12-22T16:04:00.000-06:00I suspect that Cdl. George's commission will do a ...I suspect that Cdl. George's commission will do a reasonable job of repair. It won't be perfect, but it will be far better than the present situation.<BR/><BR/>Enforcement? Not in Milwaukee...Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1166823252993311562006-12-22T15:34:00.000-06:002006-12-22T15:34:00.000-06:00That's all fine and dandy but I'm curious to know ...That's all fine and dandy but I'm curious to know if any restrictions are actually made, much less enforced.Neo-Con Tastichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01745380266734620292noreply@blogger.com