tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post986359107517216948..comments2024-03-28T03:14:51.294-05:00Comments on Dad29: Ave Maria U: The Pizza King's Barony/FiefdomDad29http://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-9609275288802596732007-08-09T08:03:00.000-05:002007-08-09T08:03:00.000-05:00Actually, MZ, you should begin the inquiry with Ca...Actually, MZ, you should begin the inquiry with Canon 2:<BR/><BR/>"For the most part, the Code does not determine the Rites to be observed for the celebration of liturgical actions...liturgical laws retain their force..."<BR/><BR/>Thus, the Chaplain, while able to 'direct liturgical functions,' cannot forbid (otherwise) licit orientation. <BR/><BR/>But you do have a point on the "pastor's" decisions under the MP. If we assume that the Chaplain is roughly equivalent to a "pastor," then he has the authority to regulate liturgy, in general, subject to the provisions of Canon 2.<BR/><BR/>However, it is at least un-wise to impair use of the Extraordinary Rite--which is the point of the post (and I suspect, of Fr. Z's post, as well.)<BR/><BR/>It is surprising to observe that Ave Maria U's staff does not seem willing to participate in B-16's forward movement in liturgical development.<BR/><BR/>IOW, Tom Monaghan seems to be resisting...Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-67827561750741514292007-08-08T20:36:00.000-05:002007-08-08T20:36:00.000-05:001) Local regulations can be set at the diocesean ...1) Local regulations can be set at the diocesean or parochial level. If the effect of such a regulation is to cause a right not to be able to be recognized, it could be appealed to Rome, most likely successfully.<BR/>2) A public mass is for a pastor, not a priest to decide. A private mass can be said however a priest would like. Masses at Ave Maria are neither capitular or parochial.<BR/><BR/>Can. 567ยง2. It is for the chaplain to celebrate or direct liturgical functions; nevertheless, he is not permitted to involve himself in the internal governance of the institute.<BR/><BR/>Priests at Ave Maria serve at the pleasure of Ave Maria. While Ave Maria lacks competence to serve canonical penalties, they are perfectly free to sever the relationship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-12877684662711012072007-08-08T19:59:00.000-05:002007-08-08T19:59:00.000-05:00There are two issues: 1) orientation: that's not...There are two issues: <BR/>1) orientation: that's not a matter for a Rector to decide, period. They may suggest, but (as even they tacitly admit), it's really up to the priest. <BR/><BR/>2) The 1962 Rite: the MP was clear; the decision is made by the priest, based on a 'stable community' of people who want such a Mass. The Bishop does not have authority to nix it, much less a Rector, who has NO canonical authority whatsoever. <BR/><BR/>You don't really think this is a "private property" matter, do you?Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-1668503008034695372007-08-08T19:48:00.000-05:002007-08-08T19:48:00.000-05:00I saw the same thing at Fr. Z's, but he closed com...I saw the same thing at Fr. Z's, but he closed comments. I imagine he did so to avoid the AMU bashing that always tends to breakout. However, being a private chapel, the university would be the rector and therefore have authority over any masses conducted there. This isn't, as best I can tell, a situation where an order has a public chapel, oratory, or church consecrated. In that case, the rector would be the Order itself.<BR/><BR/>I respect Fr. Z greatly, but I think he might have been too quick to fire here and missed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com