tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post6973415287362742201..comments2024-03-28T09:54:55.115-05:00Comments on Dad29: Like Murders? Keep Abortion LegalDad29http://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-70571520563605453292008-07-14T13:33:00.000-05:002008-07-14T13:33:00.000-05:00OS, I think what you are referring to was a commen...OS, I think what you are referring to was a comment, taken WAY out of context by Bill Bennett from his radio show. No need to repeat it as some might be tempted to take it out of context again.Billiamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15489132492383133253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-15840961357336839412008-07-14T09:57:00.000-05:002008-07-14T09:57:00.000-05:00Oh, I see you have a link to Mr. Lott's website on...Oh, I see you have a link to Mr. Lott's website on your blogroll. That explains the quaint "economics" expressed around here.PaulNoonanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600099270280639424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-23315346277225118332008-07-14T09:50:00.000-05:002008-07-14T09:50:00.000-05:00Dad, I supported my assertion that John Lott is re...Dad, I supported my assertion that John Lott is really stupid with a link that described numerous problems with his methodology. But I suppose it's also possible that he is not stupid, and is instead a liar.<BR/><BR/>Amy, a reduced crime rate soes not justify abortion. Also, neither I nor Steve Levitt are pro-abortion. Please use proper terminology.PaulNoonanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600099270280639424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-29077629953028849532008-07-14T09:06:00.000-05:002008-07-14T09:06:00.000-05:00It amazes me the lengths to which pro-aborts will ...It amazes me the lengths to which pro-aborts will go to justify their evil.<BR/><BR/>Funny, that. The same people who say killing children in the womb reduces crime have a fit about the death penalty - when applied to actual, convicted criminals.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913350782739004678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-33683127874711902452008-07-14T08:58:00.000-05:002008-07-14T08:58:00.000-05:00"John Lott is really stupid."Another persuasive ar..."John Lott is really stupid."<BR/><BR/>Another persuasive argument, Paul?<BR/><BR/>Keep it up.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-53721133263966814822008-07-14T08:43:00.000-05:002008-07-14T08:43:00.000-05:00First of all, this is old news and has, of course,...First of all, this is old news and has, of course, been addressed by Levitt in detail:<BR/><BR/>http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/christopher-foote/2005/12/05/?scp=1-b&sq=foote&st=nyt<BR/><BR/>Secondly, just because you do not like a conclusion does not mean that it is not true. The data says that it is likely that abortion reduced crime. This should not affect how you feel about abortion. If you think abortion is murder, this will not change your opinion. But neither should your opinion of abortion influence how you think about facts.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, John Lott is really really stupid:<BR/><BR/>http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2005/05/15/abortion-and-crime-who-should-you-believe/<BR/><BR/><I>Now let’s talk about John Lott for a minute. Along with John Whitley, he wrote a paper on abortion and crime. It is so loaded with inaccurate claims, errors and statistical mistakes that I hate to even provide a link to it, but for the sake of completeness you can find it here. Virtually nothing in this paper is correct, and it is no coincidence that four years later it remains unpublished. In a letter to the editor at Wall Street Journal, Lott claims that our results are driven by the particular measure of abortions that we used in the first paper. I guess he never bothered to read our response to Joyce in which we show in Table 1 that the results are nearly identical when we use his preferred data source. It is understandable that he could make this argument five years ago, but why would he persist in making it in 2005 when it has been definitively shown to be false? (I’ll let you put on your Freakonomics-thinking-hat and figure out the answer to that last question.) As Lott and Whitley are by now well aware, the statistical results they get in that paper are an artifact of some bizarre choices they made and any reasonable treatment of the data returns our initial results. (Even Ted Joyce, our critic, acknowledges that the basic patterns in the data we report are there, which Lott and Whitley were trying to challenge.)</I><BR/><BR/>Enjoy!PaulNoonanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600099270280639424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-82982593519561495282008-07-14T08:41:00.000-05:002008-07-14T08:41:00.000-05:00"I seem to recall it was a conservative argument t..."I seem to recall it was a conservative argument that abortion reduced crime because, they claimed, a majority of abortions were done for black women."<BR/><BR/>OS making stuff up again. If this argument exists, I'd like to see it.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, 1 in 4 women now have an STD: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23574940/. I'm confident that is what we in the real world would call an increase.Neo-Con Tastichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01745380266734620292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-456767571306661122008-07-14T06:14:00.000-05:002008-07-14T06:14:00.000-05:00I guess if anyone knows from "methodological probl...I guess if anyone knows from "methodological problems," it's John Lott.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14948063351430231899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-58362890472553935902008-07-13T21:48:00.000-05:002008-07-13T21:48:00.000-05:00I seem to recall it was a conservative argument th...<I>I seem to recall it was a conservative argument that abortion reduced crime because, they claimed, a majority of abortions were done for black women.</I><BR/><BR/>Um, not anyone here. Most conservatives - like me - are apt to point out that abortion does what Margaret Sanger envisioned it would: "cleanse" the race.<BR/><BR/>More black babies are killed by abortion every three days than the KKK killed in the entire history of the KKK. <BR/><BR/>That's an abomination.<BR/><BR/>There is no excuse for abortion, none whatsoever.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913350782739004678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-66217235560731645122008-07-13T21:42:00.000-05:002008-07-13T21:42:00.000-05:00I seem to recall it was a conservative argument th...I seem to recall it was a conservative argument that abortion reduced crime because, they claimed, a majority of abortions were done for black women.<BR/><BR/>That's of course not true. No one could be that callous, even conservatives. Just as this is a wild leap of illogic:<BR/><BR/><I>... HIV, HPV and other diseases have blossomed and accelerated since abortion was legalized.</I><BR/><BR/>I would need to see proof of the <I>blossoming</I> (odd choice of words) of disease and even then if it were true would consider it a coincidence. Especially since the number of abortions is decreasing across the country.<BR/><BR/>Hysteria rears its ugly head, again.Other Sidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06475658453374184885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-90376429789554811852008-07-13T21:15:00.000-05:002008-07-13T21:15:00.000-05:00Forgot something in paragraph 2. Abortion and the ...Forgot something in paragraph 2. Abortion and the sexual revolution unleashed and increased a torrent of diseases on adults - and innocent children. Yes there were always STDs, but HIV, HPV and other diseases have blossomed and accelerated since abortion was legalized.Phelony Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08833127666883397581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-22851427173591385412008-07-13T21:06:00.000-05:002008-07-13T21:06:00.000-05:00Abortion DECREASES CRIME??? You know, just when I ...Abortion DECREASES CRIME??? You know, just when I think they can't toss me one more curve ball, they do it anyway. This is preposterous.<BR/><BR/><I>Maybe Planned Parenthood should donate its $300MM/year in profits to the States for the purpose of building more prisons. After all, they are the proximate cause...</I><BR/><BR/>Outstanding idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com