tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post5629566005230539843..comments2024-03-18T18:30:39.000-05:00Comments on Dad29: Wisconsin Bishops v. Bp. Vasa on "Plan B"Dad29http://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-58920703638778256592007-11-19T17:19:00.000-06:002007-11-19T17:19:00.000-06:00"Feign ignorance?"Sorry. I maintain that the CONFE..."Feign ignorance?"<BR/><BR/>Sorry. I maintain that the CONFERENCES are "feigning ignorance," and, yes, I'm being obnoxious. That's deliberate.<BR/><BR/>As I mentioned in the post, UN-certainty of the fertilization is NOT a basis on which to proceed to administer drugs which DO cause abortion by preventing implantation. <BR/><BR/>Seems clear to me, MZ.<BR/><BR/>We are dealing with life and death. It's the classic case of "are you morally certain." This ain't beanbag.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-91823800401965147192007-11-19T17:10:00.000-06:002007-11-19T17:10:00.000-06:00Then you not what I'm referring to and are just be...Then you not what I'm referring to and are just being obnoxious. Disagree if you must but to feign ignorance over the underlying cause of both conferences' objections is not intellectually honest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-60247457608428850502007-11-19T16:28:00.000-06:002007-11-19T16:28:00.000-06:00Good for you, MZ.Go here:http://www.americanpapist...Good for you, MZ.<BR/><BR/>Go here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.americanpapist.com/2007/11/wi-bishops-drop-opposition-to-plan-b.html<BR/><BR/>And see this:<BR/><BR/><I>Father Kubat emphasized that “there is no appropriate testing,” and neither would there be appropriate testing until medical science comes up with a way to determine if fertilization has occurred. He said a pregnancy or urinary test won’t show up as positive until two to three weeks after fertilization, and ovulation testing isn’t completely reliable either. “So if you give Plan B,” even if these tests have come back negative, “it could cause an abortion,” he said.</I><BR/><BR/>Gehr Ste'he?Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-66319119560629107112007-11-19T15:04:00.000-06:002007-11-19T15:04:00.000-06:00Lifesite is a notoriously awful source. I will ta...Lifesite is a notoriously awful source. I will take the clincial citations offered in American Papist's combox that reflect the most recent research.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-20484591587541686972007-11-19T15:00:00.000-06:002007-11-19T15:00:00.000-06:00See, for example:http://64.233.167.104/search?q=ca...See, for example:<BR/><BR/>http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:BHTjui5XabMJ:www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07102305.html+Plan+B+site:www.lifesite.net&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=usDad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-90712386122808030292007-11-19T14:57:00.000-06:002007-11-19T14:57:00.000-06:00Umnnnhhh..actually, MZ, if you keep up with the li...Umnnnhhh..actually, MZ, if you keep up with the literature, there's NO doubt about the 'abortive efficacy' of B.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-23055206963069677812007-11-19T13:31:00.000-06:002007-11-19T13:31:00.000-06:00Completing the circle, contraception is a legitima...Completing the circle, contraception is a legitimate goal of rape treatment per the USCCB, and there is wide spread belief that claims of abortive efficacy are dubious, be it prior or after implantation. There is greater known hazard propelling one's children (or a pregnant woman for that matter) at 65 mph than there is for taking Plan B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-33419735538480816722007-11-19T13:26:00.000-06:002007-11-19T13:26:00.000-06:00Vasa reads absolute certainty which is certainly d...Vasa reads absolute certainty which is certainly defensible. There is an additional position that tries to ascertain whether abortion is within the nature of Plan B. Alchohol can induce abortion, but we would not say it is within the nature of alcohol to cause abortion. Ergo a pregnant woman having a drink isn't trying to have an abortion unless she makes an intent to do so known.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-2880245141654262872007-11-19T12:47:00.000-06:002007-11-19T12:47:00.000-06:00USCC's rules? Vasa read the same, identical rules...USCC's rules? Vasa read the same, identical rules, and came up withe the opposite conclusion.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12897315.post-2450527976121027542007-11-19T11:16:00.000-06:002007-11-19T11:16:00.000-06:00Dolan and the WI bishops are just following the re...Dolan and the WI bishops are just following the regulations set down by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. As you have probably figured out by now, Dolan is a rule follower. Whether the issue is conservative or liberal, he will simply follow what the Pope, Vatican Congregation, or US Bishops' Conference has stated.<BR/><BR/>He does not view himself has a bishop among bishops, but a good soldier who follows orders.<BR/><BR/>A Faithful CatholicFaithful Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04831599719531551810noreply@blogger.com